Last name: Stark

This name derives from the Medieval English "Stark" itself coming from the Olde English pre 7th Century "stearc" meaning "firm and unyielding". The name was originally given as a nickname to a strong determined person and is first recorded in the early half of the 13th Century, (see below). One, William Stark appears in the 1314, Fine Court Rolls of Essex as a witness. The surname is well recorded in Scotland from the late 14th Century onwards. In "Ancient Charters of the earldom of Morten" the leasing of Estirbalbretane lands to Richard Starke is recorded (1376). William Stark, tenant in Castalstaris, appears in the "Rental Book of Glasgow diocese" (1540). The name, with its variant forms Starkie and Starkey, is in Ireland since the 14th Century. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Rannulf Stark. which was dated 1222, in the Pipe Rolls of Suffolk. during the reign of King Henry 111, known as the Frenchman 1216 - 1272. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to "develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling.

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Gaynor
Hiya Tracey. We are all set for our visit.Not too many problems with the weather. We have found some old photos(and some newer ones) which we think you would like to see.We will bring other info as well. Hope you can still make it. We have heard about the horible floodings up there and hope you havent suffered too much. Hope to see you Sunday.

Tracey
Hi Gaynor. There has been quite a bit of rain! Luckily, no floods near us though. Glad you can still make it, see you Sunday.

gaynor
Hiya Tracey. No word from the forum.I think we can give up on that route. We will be visiting driffield in the near future to look at Fanny's grave and also to visit the library to check on the info. that was given to us from the Driffield Times on the forum. I would imagine we would be able to look at old newspapers there. We are in touch with Edwins only surviving daughter(he may have more,who knows!) although we have never met,so before we pass on any info. to her we want to be certain its correct. She has heard from various relatives in the past what went on and has always said he suffered from shell shockI dont think we will ever know for sure,but on the childrens homes forms it said he was in good health. Anyway, I was going to suggest that if your anywhere near Driffield we could meet up somewhere. I'll leave it up to you.I promise you were quite normal!. Gaynor.

Tracey
Hi Gaynor. I'd just decided that the forum wasn't going to be able to help too. It's probably a good idea to check the newspaper info, maybe you might find some other stuff too? I'd never really thought about looking through old newspapers before. I'm not too far away from Driffield and would be happy to meet you there when you visit. Tracey

Gaynor
Hiya Tracey. Will be in touch when we are going. Any day best for you? Gaynor.

Tracey
Hi Gaynor. Thats great! Fridays to Mondays are best for me. Tracey

Gaynor
Hiya Tracey. Its surprising when you are trying to organise a couple of days away for a reason how things crop up to stop you going. We have finally arrived at Sunday 30th. Sept. We will try to arrive in Driffield about 1 o'clock. Its just a suggestion,how about meeting outside the library at Cross Hill and going on to somewhere to look at info? Thats if the library is still at Cross Hill! Let us know if this is ok for you and if there is anything you particulary want us to bring. Gaynor.

Tracey
Hi Gaynor. That's good for me! I would really like to see a photograph of Emma and the boys, if you have one. I will bring a photo of Grandad. I look forward to seeing you on the 30th, Tracey

gaynor
Hiya Tracey. I hope you had a good holiday. I completely understand about passing on info., its a good sight but you never know. same with the forum. Something I have noticed since my last post: it seems that your g/dad was initially sent with his two brothers to the first home.Hubby thinks this could be an admin error(with George being older)but you would hope not on documents like this. This is going to sound silly Tracey but we have no idea about these things.How will we receive your email add.?

Tracey
Hi Gaynor, thanks for the extra info. I assume the forum admin people will send my email address to you, although I haven't heard anything from them since I asked. But I did notice that they seem to have done this in the past for people. If they don't - I'll have another think! Tracey

Gaynor
Hiya Tracey. No email address received yet. I hope I havent put my foot in it on the forum. Very sorry if I have.Im so used to finding nothing I just expected them to have very little info to pass back to you. Gaynor.

Tracey
Hi Gaynor. No, no feet in it at all! It actually gave me a good excuse to try asking admin again! It was nice to read some positive stuff about Edwin though - I bet you were glad of that! Hopefully I'll be in touch soon. Tracey

gaynor
Hiya Tracey. We have finally received the info. from the childrens homes. Information for the year 1922 shows all children either in the w/house(George) or in scattered childrens homes around Driffield living with guardians for the younger ones.At this time the father was serving a prison sentence for neglecting his children(everything points to George at this time being one of the family and both him and Emma are referred to a step children to their father). All the language in the info. is short and to the point.Fanny is listed as being a woman of weak morals and Edwin a man of bad character who is leading ,Emma especially, into bad and dishonest habits. Driffield union say the children would be better off out of the area and ask for places to be found in childrens homes anywhere around the country. They have then just included the cases of my hubbys father and aunt which we asked for. There is no further info. about any of Fannys parents. Only Edwins father is mentioned as a liveing relative. Its interesting that he sometimes calls himself Edward in correspondence, but it does'nt surprise me! We were also led to believe he was in poor health after the war but this does'nt seem to be the case. Sorry if this is a bit of a ramble Tracey, I'll shut up now!. Keep in touch. If there is anything you want to know ask away. Gaynor.

Tracey
Hi Gaynor. Thankyou so much for the information - that has filled in a few gaps for me! Also, thanks for the info in your previous post (23rd July) about the grave and the plaque - I didn't respond as I've been on holiday! It's a real shame that there wasn't any info about Fanny's parents, but at least it explains why all the children ended up scattered about the country. We think Grandad went further up North at about this point in time for a couple of years - but then again - everything else we've been told about his life has turned out to be not quite true!! There are so many things that I would like to ask - I will try and narrow it down a bit first. Likewise, I will happily tell you anything about George that you would like to know. I am reluctant to write stuff about him on here though, so, I've asked the admin people on the forums to pass my email address on to you. Thanks again, Tracey

gaynor
Hiya Tracey. We have received a reply from East Yoks. cemeteries about Fannys grave. She died on 6/3/1914 and is buried in the Bridlington road cemetery in Driffield. They gave us a rough idea where the grave is,just have to go now to see how easy it is to find and if she has a headstone. Getting there slowly but surely! Also been to Frodsham childrens home site to see the plaque that was errected in memory of all the children who stayed there.We wre just passing and I remembered the name as we passed so we did a detour. Its very basic but it says it all.Its all posh flats now. Will be in touch with any more news. Gaynor.

gaynor
Thanks Tracey. I have been in touch with east riding cemeteries,they might give us some info. before we go. I noticed you have posted something on the Drifield forum.Thanks for that.I did too but no replies up to now. We know that Fanny isnt buried with her husband,he is buried in Beverley. Surely all this prodding should pay off!! Gaynor.

Tracey
Hi Gaynor. I noticed that you had posted about that on the forums and had no replies, so I thought I would give it a go too hoping that maybe it would keep the subject 'new'. It looked promising for a while, but I haven't heard anything else since. I've just seen your new post, I hope that works. Have you had any luck with the homes? Tracey

gaynor
Hiya Tracey. Yes we heard from the homes. We were asked to forward some identification docs. so we have done that and they have acknowledged receipt. We take low priority because there are people living who are trying to trace why they were put in homes as children,so they are inundated with request for info. They have told us they have found info relating to what we requested and will send it ,just have to be patient I suppose! We dont have to go to the office. I havent mentioned it before but it seems Fannys husband returned from the war traumatised and this led to them being taken away from him. I dont know if this included your grandad. At one point their father was put in jail for six months. This as all come to light over the past year or so but there are still mysteries. No doubt all will be revealed!. Will let you know anything new. Gaynor.

Tracey
Hi Gaynor. Oh well - thats one question answered (forums), but yet another mystery!!! I'm sure we'll get there in the end! Tracey

gaynor
Hiya Tracey. Yes I think that was the one we saw the action for children line mentioned. Since you mentioned though I have looked at it in more detail.Ita an interesting insight isnt it as to how the children lived. Also noticed there is a plaque in Kingsley remembering the home and the work done for the children I will go and have a look at that, its only a couple of miles away. We are thinking of trvelling to Drifield to have a look at Fannys grave.Would it be Beverley where they keep the info. about where people are buried in Driffield?Dont go to any trouble if you dont know,we can find out when we get there. Might be a snippet of something we dont know on her stone. Gaynor.

Tracey
Hi Gaynor, I'm fairly sure that Beverley does have records of where people are buried in Driffield. I also think I've read somewhere that the library in Driffield holds the records too - I'm not certain about that though, but it would probobly be worth asking in there. Keep in touch, Tracey

Tracey
Hi Gaynor, I just wondered if you'd seen this site at all? www.theirhistory.co.uk I looked at it yesterday and thought it was quite interesting. Tracey

Tracey
Hi Gaynor. I'm pleased for you both that you can finally go and look at the documents at the childrens home - I hope they give you some new information. I read your message (above) last night and thought I would have a quick look at the forum before I replied to you. I saw some info about gdad on there relating to a marriage that wasn't correct, so I quickly(ish!!) registered and commented - it was me, sorry if I've caused you confusion. An interesting site, thanks for finding it, hopefully it will shed some light! The archives people found Frances too, but we dismissed her as Fanny for some reason, I think it was because she married someone different, but I can't remember exactly - I'll try! Thanks also for the note about Emma's birthday list, it was interesting. I haven't found out anything new but i'm still looking. Tracey

gaynor
Hiya Tracey. The search goes on!..My hubby has heard from the Nat. childrens home and can go into the office next week to look at documents. Will let you know the outcome. Meanwhile I found a Driffield forum (new territory for me) on Google and have put in a request for info. on Fanny(took me about half an hour!) So I will let you know if there is any feedback on that. We have been having a clear out at home so have been sorting through Emmas belongings that we retrieved from her flat aftyer she died.Looking through her address book I noticed she had a birthday list and the name George was amongst them,but in May. Doesnt lead us anywhere but interesting nonetheless. I think it was your g/dad.

gaynor
Hiya Tracey. Again we are at a stand still with fannnys line. I noticed that the surname Frankish was on surname data so I have posted a request on there(worth a try). Also my husband has asked for copies of some documents which will contain info. about his dad and aunt when they were in a childrens home.We might find out more about Fanny as well. I hope you have had more luck than us. Keep in touch, Gaynor.

gaynor
Hiya Tracey. You asked if we knew how fanny died. We had a word with my hubbys mam she is almost certain that it was said she died of cancer soon after her last son was born.

gaynor
Hiya Tracey. Since I replied(above) I have found something else we knew nothing about. When you mentioned R.Conder and ours was T.N. Conder for some reason a workhouse came to mind. I discovered that Emma was born in a workhouse to Fanny Stark. I found this via East Riding archives on line. You may find it interesting. I also found T.N. Conder in 1901 living in Driffield as head of household. We also found Fanny in Froding ham,but we thought she was tooo old to be our Fanny.ages do vary though on these forms.

gaynor
Hiya Tracey. We have looked back on censuses to 1881 but Fanny/Elizabeth is nowhere to been seen.We know she was living in driffield in 1908 and in donestic service there.This was the year she had Emma and Emma was born in Bridlington Rd with a Mr. Conder Registering the birth. She could have been working for him. We have noticed a few Fanny Starks about,but none seem to match any info. we have already got.We are now going back to the 1901 census to see if she was in lodgings with Mr. Conder,which is a bit of a long shot as I think she would have appeared under her name. We also know that Fanny died in 1913 and is again mentioned as Fanny with Elizabeth as a middle name. I will let you know any more findings. Gaynor.

gaynor
Hiya Tracey. Have received the marr. cert..Fanny is again(as in 1911 census) registered as Elizabeth,they maried in May 1908 in Driffield Parish Church.She was now living in Market Place Driffield,but probably moved to St. Johns Rd. where her husband Edwin was living at the time of the marriage.She was aged 29 at the time of marriage,which means she must have been born about 1879.No father is mentioned on the cert.(there is just a line)neither are any of her familly witnesses.What was your granddads fathers name on his birth cert? I will understand if you dont want to give that info. So, We are now looking at the possibility that Fanny was first married to a man named Stark who could have left her in the lurch as she didnt put his name on Emmas birth cert. Or possibly she had your granddad in her first marriage and then married my husbands granddad. More delving needed! Keep in touch. Gaynor

Tracey
Hi Gaynor, Thanks for that. I have also been trying to find out if she was married a first time, although I have no evidence that she was. It would explain why we can't seem to find anything about her birth/early life under the name Stark. I will keep on trying and will keep in touch. Tracey

Tracey
Thanks Gaynor - It was Westgate, Driffield where my Grandad George was born in 1906, he had a sister called Emma, (we don't know when she was born) she died very young but we don't know when or how old she was. We know their mum was born in Hull and died when Grandad was small boy (again we don't know the date) but we are fairly sure that she was called Fanny - could it be the same one? Grandad's dad was a sailor - again we don't have a name though. We have tried for a while to do the Stark family tree but we can't seem to get anywhere with it, also, we can't find grandad anywhere on the 1911 census! I will keep trying and let you know if I find out more. Tracey

gaynor
Does anyone know of any Starks in Yorkshire. Drifield or Hull? We are back to about 1850.

Tracey
Hi, my Grandad was a Stark, born in Driffield in the early 1900s. His mother was originally from Hull. Please contact me for names and dates etc.

Eric
Its a also a german Last name. it is a Germanic surname. the German word for "strong" is "Stark".